Posts by Vernon Williams

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Do you think that the 'Convention' tract work will seem silly to most?

by AK - Jeff in

in this territory it will mean 'inviting' people to a religious convention about 200 miles away, about a religion that most already do not care about.

i believe this could be a 'tactical error' on the part of the gb, who seem mostly interesting in keeping the urgency level on high with this.

but as far as future converts are concerned, won't most people who were riding the fence as to classifying this group as a cult, go ahead and jump down on the affirmative side of the fence with this stupidity?

Vernon Williams

Is there a copy online that you know of?

V

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607 to 1914 calculation question

by bluebell in

is there any culture that actually used years of 360 days length?

if so, surely there would still be some kind of leap year to correct the calendar, why is that not taken into account?

i'd never thought about it when i was a dub because you're not supposed to think!

Vernon Williams

Pre exit, I knew there was something wrong with the Society's thinking as the prophets would have been working with lunar years: the society was using solar. That is five days difference on 2,520 years.

Chuckleheads....

V

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Did the WTS ask Jesus permission to sell 360 Furman ST.

by cultswatter in

according to the wts, jesus owns all the watchtower properties.

recently the wts sold 360 furman st. for untold millions.

thay obviuosly forgot about jesus and cashed in on his property.

Vernon Williams

No, the "Faithful Steward" has a free hand in the financial oversight of the "Master's Belongings."

There should be something funny to say next....there is not....vomit bag, please....

V

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The Power of the Question: what most are missing

by Vernon Williams in

i want to make a statement, and, if there is any interest, develope it a bit.. in the interactions one has with a jw, no matter what level in the org.

or what the topic is, this needs to be remembered: .

whomever controls the question controls all.. the jws are trained to control the result of the conversation through argument manipulation.

Vernon Williams

You are focusing, I think, on specific data or opinino. I am not going to resist your position.

My approach is methodoligy...if that is a word.

We must approach the JWs with a mind set of "winning" which, in this case, means backing them in a corner and beating the living stuffings out of them. I have NO sympathy for the JWs and they are the only people I do not mind leaving bleading and beaten at the end of an arguement. I am not out to destroy the person or his Faith in the Divine. I am out to prove the WT doctrine for what it is: false and dangerous. Since the JW has volunteered to "protect" the WT, he is the first warrior I will confront and I will battle with gusto. The best weapon in my arsonal is the question.

Now, after he lies beaten, will I comfort him? Yes, I willl bind wounds and encourage him to strength once he realizes he has been protecting a castle of cards built on a foundation of sand.

I would not, of course, have this mind or heart set with someone that recognizes the error of the WT and wants to come out. I would use questions: mildly and kindly.

I have researched this topic a lot and read a lot of "answer" or "provide the correct info" approach. I am convinced that controlling the question is the best of all methods in interacting with those bent on defending the WT.

Humbly,

V

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The Power of the Question: what most are missing

by Vernon Williams in

i want to make a statement, and, if there is any interest, develope it a bit.. in the interactions one has with a jw, no matter what level in the org.

or what the topic is, this needs to be remembered: .

whomever controls the question controls all.. the jws are trained to control the result of the conversation through argument manipulation.

Vernon Williams

You are focusing, I think, on specific data or opinino. I am not going to resist your position.

My approach is methodoligy...if that is a word.

We must approach the JWs with a mind set of "winning" which, in this case, means backing them in a corner and beating the living stuffings out of them. I have NO sympathy for the JWs and they are the only people I do not mind leaving bleading and beaten at the end of an arguement. I am not out to destroy the person or his Faith in the Divine. I am out to prove the WT doctrine for what it is: false and dangerous. Since the JW has volunteered to "protect" the WT, he is the first warrior I will confront and I will battle with gusto. The best weapon in my arsonal is the question.

Now, after he lies beaten, will I comfort him? Yes, I willl bind wounds and encourage him to strength once he realizes he has been protecting a castle of cards built on a foundation of sand.

I would not, of course, have this mind or heart set with someone that recognizes the error of the WT and wants to come out. I would use questions: mildly and kindly.

I have researched this topic a lot and read a lot of "answer" or "provide the correct info" approach. I am convinced that controlling the question is the best of all methods in interacting with those bent on defending the WT.

Humbly,

V

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What Stage Are You At Now?

by mtsgrad in

jw
friends

i was born in the "truth" and reached the dizzy heights of becoming a servant and that attended the ministerial school.

in the last three years i emotionallly left the "truth" and stopped attending last year.

however, i am still very confused theologically.

Vernon Williams

Well....a 10....first time in my life I have been that!

As far as "stages," in looks, larva. I will "butterfly," later!

Hang tough....pm if you want.

V

http://jwmidwest.com/index.asp

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The Power of the Question: what most are missing

by Vernon Williams in

i want to make a statement, and, if there is any interest, develope it a bit.. in the interactions one has with a jw, no matter what level in the org.

or what the topic is, this needs to be remembered: .

whomever controls the question controls all.. the jws are trained to control the result of the conversation through argument manipulation.

Vernon Williams

The JW is talking about "God's goverment" being the central theme of Mathew 24:14. So you ask:

What good news is Jesus discussing?

JW: the good news of the Kingdom...God's Goverment by Christ.

Which good news of the Kingdom?

JW I am not following you.

Notice Jesus says: THIS good news of the Kingdom. So Jesus is saying that the good news he is preaching right then, right there IS the good news that would be preached until the conclusion of the system. Is that true?

JW: yes.....I would say so.

Did Jesus preach this good news until his death?

JW: yes

Did Paul preach the good news as Jesus did?

JW: Yes

Did the Apostal John?

JW: yes

Now, if John preached to someone in the year 85 would the good news have an effect?

JW: I don't know what you mean...

Would the good news have had an effect? For instance, would that person, if they believed the good news, repent?

JW: Yes

Be baptized?

JW: Yes

Be born again?

JW: yes

Celebrate the Lord's Meal?

JW: Yes

So, since Jesus said THIS good news would be preached as a witness till the conclusion, if a person in the year 436 heard the same good news would it have had the same effect?

JW: yes

1802:

JW: yes

2007?

JW: (he stalls....he is lost, so, he will ask a question) Yes, but we know there are two classess of Christians, so the effect will be different, now. For instance Rev. 21 1 through 4 states.......how do you explain that?

At this point, a question has been ask. The JW is in a corner and he wants out. So, he presents a "red heering" defense. If you address his question he has control. You must take the question back.

You have changed the subject. Can we stay on topic, please? Would the effect be the same....just yes or no...would the effect be the same?

JW: But there are two classes of Christian.....the new heavens and new earth of Rev and Isiah prove that.

Let us look at Galations Chapter 1. (Read) So, was Paul expecting any change, any difference in the good news presented?

JW: no

So, if the good news does not change, as Paul and Jesus state, then the effects would stay, permanatly and unchangably the same.....correct?

It goes on from there....you just keep control of the question ALWAYS, always, always.....

The JWs will ALWAYS try to take back the question. Why? Because of control.

Whomever controls the question controls all.

Comments?

V

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Map of where we all are.

by wanderlustguy in

jw
friends

http://www.frappr.com/xjws .

don't know if this is done already, but here is a pretty neat way for us all to map out where we are so if anyone is travelling, they know who is in the area...if anyone thinks this is a good idea, feel free to click and update!

edited to add...it has chat, too.

Vernon Williams

Add one hillbilly: oak tree, goat, fresh coffee on the fire.....

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How did you feel when first posting on JWD?

by R.F. in

i was in heavy doubt about the organization, but still in the back of my mind i was a bit hesitant of posting because it was the "unforgivable sin".

i think it took me 20 minutes to type my first post.

i still felt that once i submitted my post that a bolt of lightning was going to come down upon me, so my hands were shaking as i was typing.

Vernon Williams

I felt really, really stupid because, due to a lack of teck training, I am a computer-impaired and could not figure out the forum...wait....are you talking about how it is for someone that exits and is getting used to freedom?

I felt really, really stupid because, due to my association with the JWs, I was logic-impaired and could not figure out life for a while...wait....

Well, just confused.....I really feel empathy for the blue fish that hung out with Elmo's dad....

V (I am referencing Channel C on Beacon Light....like here...just not as ram-bunc-shush...

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The Power of the Question: what most are missing

by Vernon Williams in

i want to make a statement, and, if there is any interest, develope it a bit.. in the interactions one has with a jw, no matter what level in the org.

or what the topic is, this needs to be remembered: .

whomever controls the question controls all.. the jws are trained to control the result of the conversation through argument manipulation.

Vernon Williams

No.

It is a-pistol-moligical!

V